Comments on: Bottled water - we really can do without! http://thegivinghands.org/environment/bottled-water-we-really-can-do-without charity.conservation.environment.health.volunteerism Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:02:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Will http://thegivinghands.org/environment/bottled-water-we-really-can-do-without#comment-1551 Will Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:17:21 +0000 http://thegivinghands.org/environment/bottled-water-we-really-can-do-without#comment-1551 the Siggs are available here in most all sporting goods and outdoor stores. Also here is a seller on ebay with a a lot of Siggs and they take PayPal. the Siggs are available here in most all sporting goods and outdoor stores. Also here is a seller on ebay with a a lot of Siggs and they take PayPal.

]]> By: ColourfulWorld http://thegivinghands.org/environment/bottled-water-we-really-can-do-without#comment-1526 ColourfulWorld Tue, 25 Dec 2007 05:36:16 +0000 http://thegivinghands.org/environment/bottled-water-we-really-can-do-without#comment-1526 One of the advantages (to manufacturers) / disavantages (to user) is that thermoplastics can be recycled if sufficient supply of EM radiation is given. Unfortunately the sun provide a wide spectrum of EM wave, especially the UV and infra-red. Everytime we bring our bottles out, unless shielded if not the bottles will have direct contact with sunlight. The high energy UV will loosen the the polymer bonding of the bottles. We all know that our drinking water, no matter how clean or pure it is, will not consist of only H2O molecules. We also know that different chemical compound would react accordingly to the plastics used. This is even critical if you place the bottle inside your vehicle for quite some time whereby the vehicle is parked under the sun. So basically you'll have UV speeding up the degradation process of plastics polymer caused by chemical compounds in the water itself. If the bottle is in the vehicle under the hot sun, please add trapped heat within the vehicle into the equation. Haha, isn't the entire process magnificent? The precise timing is not known but statistically this will happen sooner or later. And what we have discussed so far is about plain water only. I dare not imagine the "aftermath" if the plain water is replaced by carbonated drinks etc. Those who are living in hot places like Malaysia can give it a try: take a bottle (plastics) of water and put it under the hot sun for 30 minutes to 1 hour then use your nose to smell the water, if you can't smell anything strange then take a sip of the water. Compare the smell and taste between the bottled water and fresh tap water / boiled water and you will know exactly what I mean. =) Speaking of boiled water, a lot of hypermarkets / supermarkets are selling plastics kettles, which I seriously question the stability of the plastics polymer. A good thing of having some knowledge about plastics is that you can't believe every single sh*t that the manufacturers claimed. Unfortunately many people, especially young people and singles love to buy that kind of suicidal device due to the promised convenience. Sigh... Conclusion: To play safe, never ever use plastics bottle if the bottle has been subjected to long hours of heat / long hours of UV radiation / loading other than plain H20 / any mentioned combination. (Plastics manufacturers' comment) Anyway, the overall pollution sources that you can imagine is more severe that plastics alone, and there is a very high possibility you may eventually die because of other stuff instead of plastics poisoning. So there is no need to be panic, take it easy. Keep buying from us. We all die sooner or later. (End of comment) Pelf, I hope I have answered your question. =p Anyway, if you can't get a SIGG bottle. You can always try those stainless steel vacuum flasks on the market. They are more reliable than plastics bottles. One of the advantages (to manufacturers) / disavantages (to user) is that thermoplastics can be recycled if sufficient supply of EM radiation is given. Unfortunately the sun provide a wide spectrum of EM wave, especially the UV and infra-red. Everytime we bring our bottles out, unless shielded if not the bottles will have direct contact with sunlight. The high energy UV will loosen the the polymer bonding of the bottles. We all know that our drinking water, no matter how clean or pure it is, will not consist of only H2O molecules. We also know that different chemical compound would react accordingly to the plastics used. This is even critical if you place the bottle inside your vehicle for quite some time whereby the vehicle is parked under the sun. So basically you’ll have UV speeding up the degradation process of plastics polymer caused by chemical compounds in the water itself. If the bottle is in the vehicle under the hot sun, please add trapped heat within the vehicle into the equation. Haha, isn’t the entire process magnificent? The precise timing is not known but statistically this will happen sooner or later. And what we have discussed so far is about plain water only. I dare not imagine the “aftermath” if the plain water is replaced by carbonated drinks etc.

Those who are living in hot places like Malaysia can give it a try: take a bottle (plastics) of water and put it under the hot sun for 30 minutes to 1 hour then use your nose to smell the water, if you can’t smell anything strange then take a sip of the water. Compare the smell and taste between the bottled water and fresh tap water / boiled water and you will know exactly what I mean. =)

Speaking of boiled water, a lot of hypermarkets / supermarkets are selling plastics kettles, which I seriously question the stability of the plastics polymer. A good thing of having some knowledge about plastics is that you can’t believe every single sh*t that the manufacturers claimed. Unfortunately many people, especially young people and singles love to buy that kind of suicidal device due to the promised convenience. Sigh…

Conclusion:
To play safe, never ever use plastics bottle if the bottle has been subjected to long hours of heat / long hours of UV radiation / loading other than plain H20 / any mentioned combination.

(Plastics manufacturers’ comment) Anyway, the overall pollution sources that you can imagine is more severe that plastics alone, and there is a very high possibility you may eventually die because of other stuff instead of plastics poisoning. So there is no need to be panic, take it easy. Keep buying from us. We all die sooner or later. (End of comment)

Pelf, I hope I have answered your question. =p

Anyway, if you can’t get a SIGG bottle. You can always try those stainless steel vacuum flasks on the market. They are more reliable than plastics bottles.

]]> By: pelf http://thegivinghands.org/environment/bottled-water-we-really-can-do-without#comment-1525 pelf Tue, 25 Dec 2007 03:01:48 +0000 http://thegivinghands.org/environment/bottled-water-we-really-can-do-without#comment-1525 I wanted to buy a SIGG bottle after reading about it. And I even chose which one I wanted. But unfortunately, SIGG does not accept PayPal and I do not have a credit card :( I wanted to buy a SIGG bottle after reading about it. And I even chose which one I wanted. But unfortunately, SIGG does not accept PayPal and I do not have a credit card :(

]]> By: pelf http://thegivinghands.org/environment/bottled-water-we-really-can-do-without#comment-1523 pelf Tue, 25 Dec 2007 02:59:26 +0000 http://thegivinghands.org/environment/bottled-water-we-really-can-do-without#comment-1523 But what if I only refill my plastic bottles with drinking water (not boiled nor hot)? Does that mean I can use it many more times compared to if I filled it with hot water? P/S: I don't fill my plastic bottles with hot water, and I hope nobody does that! But what if I only refill my plastic bottles with drinking water (not boiled nor hot)? Does that mean I can use it many more times compared to if I filled it with hot water?

P/S: I don’t fill my plastic bottles with hot water, and I hope nobody does that!

]]> By: Will http://thegivinghands.org/environment/bottled-water-we-really-can-do-without#comment-1517 Will Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:25:51 +0000 http://thegivinghands.org/environment/bottled-water-we-really-can-do-without#comment-1517 I do a lot of hiking and some backpacking so I frequently have a need to carry water. I don't like the idea of the disposable plastic bottles. I did try a Camelback for a while. I did not like the taste the material imparted to the water and it made me think that some nasty chemicals were probably being off-gassed or leached from the liner. What I did is buy a couple of stainless steel Sigg bottles. They were not cheap, but they were the solution for me. We have very good quality tap water here, (voter one of 10 best in U.S.), so it is easier for me to do it this way. I don't know what people would fill their Siggs with if they live in a city with terrible quality water. -Will I do a lot of hiking and some backpacking so I frequently have a need to carry water. I don’t like the idea of the disposable plastic bottles. I did try a Camelback for a while. I did not like the taste the material imparted to the water and it made me think that some nasty chemicals were probably being off-gassed or leached from the liner.

What I did is buy a couple of stainless steel Sigg bottles. They were not cheap, but they were the solution for me. We have very good quality tap water here, (voter one of 10 best in U.S.), so it is easier for me to do it this way. I don’t know what people would fill their Siggs with if they live in a city with terrible quality water.

-Will

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